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 LARRY MCGRAW'S WORK 
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Post LARRY MCGRAW'S WORK
I WOULD LIKE SOME ONE TO HELP ME CONTINUE TO COME UP WITH A VARITY OF A TREE ON THE OREGON TRAIL EAST OF THE DALLES.
THIS TREE WAS BELIEVED (LARRY SAID) TO BE IN THE AGE RANGE OF 175 YEARS. LARRY HAD BELIEVED THIS VARITY WAS FROM THE LUELLING MIGRATION,AND HE BELIEVED IT WAS THE OLDEST APPLE TREE IN OREGON.
SHORTLY AFTER TAKING GRAFTS AND SCIONS TO HIS KIMBERLY ORCHARD HE BECAME ILL AND WAS UNABLE TO COMPLETE IDENTIFICATION.
WOULD ANY ONE HERE HELP ME IN IDENTIFYING THIS TREE AND DOCUMENTING FACTS FOR HISTORY
DONALD HILDERBRAND
P.O. BOX 148
WASCO OR
97065
541-993-2254
DHILDERBRAND@RDOEQUIPMENT.COM

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Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:17 pm
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Post Luelling East of the Dalles in 1847
This would be an interesting development. I am also looking for such remnants of the 1847 Overland collection. I just visited one such descendant apple tree, full of new blossoms (reputed to be a delicious, green pie apple) that Henderson planted in his new nursery and orchard located in Fruitvale, CA (now part of Oakland), circa 1853.

Per the history that I have been digging up, The main Luelling contact in the Fall of 1847, East of The Dalles, was Marcus Whitman in Walla Walla. Is this tree that you refer to anywhere near this area? Henderson was very intent on getting all of his brood tree cargo all the way to the Willamette Valley and reputedly would not part with any of his trees along the way. If the tree is one of the original members of the Westward bound 700, I am wondering what extreme circumstances would have occured that would prompt him to give up even one tree. Supposedly he was very sympathetic to Marcus Whitman, and Whitman tried to get the Luelling venture to setup their new nursery in Walla Walla. Maybe this tree that you seek information about has something to do with a jesture of solidarity that Henderson and M. Whitman may have felt toward each other. Maybe there is something in the Whitman records that refers to such a "gift", had it occurred. Interesting possibility!

Looking at the map, Wasco OR is not particularly near Walla Walla, WA and so I am again wondering how such a tree would have gotten separated from the traveling load? Also, you state that Wasco is on the Oregon Trail that the Luelling wagons would have traveled in 1847. East from The Dalles: Cecil, Echo, Pendleton were the settlements that the trail passed through according to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_1907.jpg
Does that line up with your information?

After 1849 there were thousands of new trees coming from the Luelling/Meek Nursery in Milwaukie, that were distributed all over Calif-Oregon-Washington. By the mid 1850s there were 6 different nursery sites tied into the Luelling-Lewelling propagator-distributor, network in Oregon, Washington, and California. Seth Lewelling's log of 1850 describes the volume and extent of these operations. David Diamond's: "Migrations" thesis of 2004 gives even greater detail. There are also relatives of Alfred Luelling (Henderson's oldest son) who settled in Madras -Bend area (farmers).

Regarding the variety ID of the tree, suggest that you do the obvious....take pictures of different growth stages throughout the year; make and post descriptive notes over the annual cycle (especially the stages of fruit development); if your have cooperation of the owner, and it looks like fruit development would benefit, do some fruit thinning at early stages to encourage size development; harvest and bring some nice samples of the fruit (along with your notes and pictures) to the Fall HOS Fruit Exchange where the ID committee (Joanie Cooper, et al) can likely ID the tree. Elsewhere on this forum I have posted the list of plant varieties that H. Luelling brought with him in the "Traveling Tree Nursery of 1847", per his contemporary H L Lambert.

Thank you for your interesting post! Looking forward to your next installment.

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I AM 30 MILES EAST OF FORT DALLES ON A WATER STOP AFTER MUCH DRY TRAVEL. TREE IS 1 MILE NORTH OF WASCO IN CHINA HOLLOW CREEK ON SCOTT CANYON ROAD.
I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN HOUSE BY TREE NOW.
I DO BELIEVE LARRY, IN THAT THIS TREE IS OF THE AGE TO REMOVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF TO MUCH LATER PLANTING.
THIS TREE GREW TO ABOUT 2 FEET THROUGH AND FELL OVER DRIVING A BRANCH INTO THE GROUND STARTING A NEW TREE THAT LARRY BELIEVED A FEW YEARS AGO WAS REPRESENTING 75 YEARS OF GROWTH.
THE ORIGINAL GROWTH TRUNK IS HOLLOWED OUT FROM ROT.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME HELP AND IF SOMEONE WANTS A LITTLE FIELD TRIP 100 MILES EAST OF PDX, YOU WOULD BE WELCOME.
MY GRANDMOTHER BORN IN 1899 HAD TOLD MY FATHER THE TREE WAS OF PIONEER ORIGIN.
HER FATHER WAS AN ORIGINAL HOMSTEADER IN THIS AREA (1881)
HE WOULD HAVE KNOWN AS TREE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT UPON HIS ARIVIAL.
PLEASE SOMEONE WILL YOU HELP ME IN PROCEEDING AS I AM TO BUSY TO GIVE THIS MATTER THE ATTENTION IT NEEDS.
DONALD HILDERBRAND
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can you begin by describing the fruit produced by the tree:

Time of year it blooms?
size, color, description of fruit?
when its ready to pick?
flavor (sweet, sour, etc)?
Does the fruit keep?

Do you or your daughter have a digital picture of the tree and or fruit?

Are there plenty of blooms and new leaf on the remaining vital part of the tree this year?

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:04 am
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THE FRUIT IS SMALL (NEVER CARE FOR TO LIMIT BLOSSMS)
TART TO PASTY MAYBE CALLED BLAN
MY BELIEF A COOKING APPLE
WORMY(NOT CARED FOR)
SPRING BLOOMS (I DONT THINK IT HAS BLOOMED YET)
SMALL GREEN TART
NEVER TRIED TO KEEP AS ALWAYS WORMY
LOOKS LIKE A KEEPER STYLE
NO PIC PRESENTLY
PLEANTY OF ACTIVE GROWTH
THE TREE IS ON THE LAST WATER STOP BEFORE DECHUTES AFTER LEAVING JOHN DAY
DON

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for this year, at a minimum, pick a limited section of the tree and care for it:

Thin the fruit in a limited area ( a few branches) when fruit is thumb size or a little smaller so that fruit will not be touching at maturity. This could involve taking off as much as a third of the crop. see http://www.homeorchardsociety.org/article/8/ a reference on bagging fruit at the same time that you thin it. This will protect the fruit that you are caring for from codling moth (a main source for worms) and other insect pests.

Give the tree a good long watering now, early in the growing season. If its in the middle of a lawn, back the lawn away some (this is where a picture would help a lot, to see what conditions you have. If you take a digital picture and then upload it to Picasa's Web album and include a link in a future post, then we could see what you have.

When is the fruit ripe? How about making an apple pie this year? You could even bring such a pie (along with the apples) to the HOS Fruit Exchange in October and enter it into the pie tasting contest. Soon enough we'll have a vintage apple division of the contest.....yours will be the oldest and the best!

When I get back to my Oregon maps, I'll look for the spot that you describe.

Sounds encouraging. Thanks for your effort and concern. I'm glad you're the owner. VK

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THE TREE, TO DESCRIBE IT NOW IT IS A MULTI TRUNKED, SEVERAL TREES
ILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO FOR PRUNING
HORRIBLE MOTHS IN AREA
WATER NOT PROBLEM IT IS IN CREEK
MY DAUGHTER IS WORKING ON GETTING LARRYS ARTICALS HE WROTE
DON
WELCOME YOUR RETURN

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Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:25 am
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Don,

Is this your location? Click on it to verify. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?se ... code=97065

Van

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This looks like the right spot:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?se ... code=97065

Van

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YES THAT IS VERY CLOSE
DON

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