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 Selecting Cherry buds for Autumn grafting 
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Post Selecting Cherry buds for Autumn grafting
Hi All,
Its spring here in Australia and I'm planning to work over my friends flowering cherry this Autumn so he can make some use of it. As a prelude to this I thought I'd check out which buds do what in the spring so I can select vegetative buds in autumn as opposed to flower buds.

I had a look today at some flowering cherries and the buds on last seasons wood all seem rather random in their preference for vegetation or flowering. So my question is how do you guys select out the vegetative buds in Autumn?

Bagrat


Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:14 am
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I'd love an answer to this as well! how do you tell vegetative buds from fruiting buds?


Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:07 pm
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Hi Bagrat, is that a 'marsupial' handle by any chance :) Hey, I'm no expert, or botanist, so those who are feel free to contradict anything I say; but here's my take (and I hope Joe Real's in the house).

Spring! ...we just had a beautiful Autumn day here in Oregon, but as I tilled our gardens yesterday and nibbled on the last of some Everbearing raspberries ... I'm already dreaming of Spring~

So, your friend has an ornamental cherry tree and you'd like to make it produce? If so, how old do you suspect it is? And, how high in the tree do you plan to bud? If you bud low, the bark may be too thick to work with; and, it may not receive enough sunlight to 'take off.'

You are a bit late for dormant grafting ... unless you can find some refrigerated scion wood... But as far as distinguishing flower from vegetative buds; when collecting your 'bud stick,' it will likely be actively growing wood from this years shoots. Those shoots should all produce vegetative buds. At each leaf-base will be a potential bud, and if you'd like a "handle" for inserting it into the "T" (for example), don't ‘knock off’ all the leaves. I suspect that (now) ‘second year’ wood has sent up it's growth hormone and activated the upper-most buds for 'growth,' whereas the lower buds will likely develop and swell into flowers.

Off topic, but still on my mind …tonight on TV I watched on “60 Minutes” (CBS weekly nationwide news program) and then again on “Nature” (US Public Broadcasting) programs on the massive world-wide honey bee die off. Seems a virus originating in Israel has been shipped ‘over here’ from Australia as our bee-keepers restock their dead hives. Scientists around the world are looking for answers, and this one virus seems only an additional problem for these poor honey bees... But I never knew Australia was so big in bee production? I’d given up on my hive back in the late 80’s when the first mite infestations hit. But we watched 3 massive swarms (the first in decades!) head across the yard last year, even filmed them! This summer we watched a ‘wild hive’ inside a large woodpecker nest box.

I’m letting ‘nature’ pollinate my fruit now, including my mason bees. Couldn’t believe all the moths I found working over some European prune/plums this spring by moonlight. …Enough with the bees; let me know if what I described above jives with what you’ve learned. And welcome to the Forum!

Viron

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Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:32 pm
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Hi Guys,
No marsupials here!
My Mates cherry has about five trunks and is up to the eaves of his house. I'm hoping the bark isn't to thick or I'll give patch budding a go and yes I was thinking of late summer/early autumn budding.

Anyway, onto the buds. I jumped the gun and asked the question a bit to soon. Now that the flower clusters are fruiting I can see that each has a vegetative bud associated with them. The only exceptions I can see are the basal 2-3 flower buds near what is now third year wood (in other words the lowest flower clusters...). I would suspect these lower clusters also have vegetative buds but they are not apparent yet (about two months away from harvest) and new season shoots a two feet long.

I'm a beekeeper and I've been keeping an eye on the 'dissapearing disease'. Truth is they still don't know whats causing it. While viruses are a possibility its as likely an explanation as any of the others (pesticides, environmental stress etc.). The good thing about Australia is you guys are coming into spring as we are going into winter. Our hives are busting with bees and we want to cut numbers down for overwintering while you need to build yours up for almond pollenation. Perfect market opportunity, you want what we don't need!

Thanks for thehelp!


Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:24 pm
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