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 New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine 
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Post New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
Hi Everyone,

Here are some photos of the apple that I planted from seed in 2002, which I am calling "Miss Jessamine", after my daughter Jessamine (pronounced jess-a-min). I took some to the All About Fruit Show, and they got a warm reception there. I will bring some scions to the exchange in March.

I don't know apple lingo well enough to describe the taste, but I would say it is more sweet than tart, juicy, firm flesh, with medium thick skin. Color is yellow-green with a blush of pink, and a little russeting on the top by the stem. Flesh is cream colored.

I am guessing it will store well because it ripens late (I picked the last batch today, Nov. 5) and the flesh is pretty firm. I have some in the refrigerator and some in a shed, to find out how long they store in those conditions.

The tree is super healthy, with only minor scabbing here and there. I have two other trees purchased from a nursery, one is somewhat scabby and the other is completely covered with scab, so the tree has definitely been exposed to scab. I do not spray anything on my trees other than a little compost tea 2-3 times a year. The soil is heavy clay, and the tree is crowded in between a pine, a fence, and an incense cedar. I really wish I would have planted it somewhere else, but there was nothing there at the time I planted it. I plan to remove the pine and cut back the cedar to give the apple more space.

I live in Camas, Washington, just across the river from Portland (USDA zone 8b).

If you want to see how it tastes, let me know. I would also appreciate help in properly describing it.

Here are some photos:

"Miss Jessamine". Photo taken Oct. 14, 2012
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Oct. 23, 2012
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Picked Nov. 5, 2012. Watch included for scale (probably should have used a ruler :-) )
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Picked Nov. 5, 2012
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Picked Nov. 5, 2012
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Picked Nov. 5, 2012
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Jessamine in front of the tree Oct. 27, 2012
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Oct. 23, 2012
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From the top of the ladder, looking down. Oct. 23, 2012
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:04 am
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
It would be an honor to taste your lovely apple. Too bad I missed it at the All About Fruit show. It would have been amusing, but unkind, to take them to the apple ID team and ask them to identify it. I'd love to hear what they'd have said.

Do you know the female parent of your apple (what variety of apple the seed came from)?

I live in the Fern Prairie area.

For your pictures, did you pick out only the nicest looking specimens, or are those pretty representative of the variation on the tree? From the ones shown it looks like you were spared from the dreaded codling moth.

Does this apple seem less to their tastes than your others?

Have you done anything with the apples aside from eating them out of hand?


Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:46 am
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
jafarj wrote:
It would be an honor to taste your lovely apple. Too bad I missed it at the All About Fruit show. It would have been amusing, but unkind, to take them to the apple ID team and ask them to identify it. I'd love to hear what they'd have said.

At the show, I first went to the Information table and told them my story. They thought it was tasty and were quite interested in my story. They sent me to the ID team to let them try it & hear the story. The ID team had a camera mounted on stand so they sliced it open & took their reference photos of it, along with my information, which I assume goes into some database. Thanks to this forum I was able to put together an ID card in the same format as all the other apples, and I gave them a bag of the apples so they could put it on the table with all the others.

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Do you know the female parent of your apple (what variety of apple the seed came from)?

No, unfortunately I forgot to write it down, or I lost the note, and I don't remember. I do remember that I had never heard of it before. The main differences from the parent that I recall are 1) these have more of a blush to them, 2) the flesh is firmer, 3) the skin is just a bit thicker, 4) I don't remember seeing any russeting.

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I live in the Fern Prairie area.

I work at 164th & Mill Plain, let me know if you are going to be down this way and I'll bring some for you.

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For your pictures, did you pick out only the nicest looking specimens, or are those pretty representative of the variation on the tree? From the ones shown it looks like you were spared from the dreaded codling moth.

The pictures are representative. The tree produced about 120 apples this year, I think there were maybe 5 that had codling moth damage. My other trees had way more codling moth damage, though a bit less than normal. I did use nylon footies on about 10 of the apples, I couldn't reach the rest.

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Does this apple seem less to their tastes than your others?

Definitely. Also way more resistant to scab. One of the guys at the show thought that this may be due to the thicker skin.

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Have you done anything with the apples aside from eating them out of hand?

I have dried them, but I haven't tried anything else. What did you have in mind?


Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:05 pm
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
That's a very beautiful apple tree you've grown. I have a couple first year seedlings from a Granny Smith apple that I've been considering grafting onto an M-26 rootstock to hopefully improve its manageability and long-term health. But your standard tree (I'm guessing standard because your daughter looks so short in front of it) looks very nice and gives me optimism about letting them grow as standard size trees. I'd love to taste one, but I won't make you ship one to Ohio!


Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:14 pm
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Dave,

Please email me. My address is my handle here @msn.com

I work very close to you.


Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:40 am
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
jafarj wrote:
Dave,

Please email me. My address is my handle here @msn.com

I work very close to you.
OK I sent you an email.


Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:45 pm
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sohoppy wrote:
I'd love to taste one, but I won't make you ship one to Ohio!
Hey if you want to pay the postage, I'd ship one to you!


Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:49 pm
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Hmmm, I didn't get the email and checked the junk folder just in case.

the address is jafarj at the domain in my previous message.


Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:26 pm
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jafarj wrote:
Hmmm, I didn't get the email and checked the junk folder just in case.

the address is jafarj at the domain in my previous message.
OK I just sent it again. If you don't get it, send an email to me at davem98607 a t yahoo d o t com.


Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:49 am
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
David, It was nice to meet you and chat with you about your fruit breeding project ;)

Thanks for the sample. I think Miss Jessamine has some real potential. It was better than most of my 25 or so named apple varieties that bore this year and it still had a bit of starchiness. So maybe it will get even better with a little storage or hanging a little longer on the tree.

I look forward to trying one that you've stored for a few weeks.

I'd be most gratified if you'd allow me some scion wood this February so that I can add this new variety to one of my existing trees.


Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:15 am
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
jafarj wrote:
David, It was nice to meet you and chat with you about your fruit breeding project ;)

Thanks for the sample. I think Miss Jessamine has some real potential. It was better than most of my 25 or so named apple varieties that bore this year and it still had a bit of starchiness. So maybe it will get even better with a little storage or hanging a little longer on the tree.

I look forward to trying one that you've stored for a few weeks.

I'd be most gratified if you'd allow me some scion wood this February so that I can add this new variety to one of my existing trees.

Will do!


Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:38 am
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Today I did some pruning and cut a bunch of "Miss Jessamine" scions for the scion exchange. I wrapped them in a couple sheets of slightly damp newspaper, then put them in plastic bags, wrapped them with a few rubber bands, and put them in the refrigerator. I learned the hard way that I should have measured the width of the refrigerator before cutting them :-) i.e. I had to unwrap everything to cut them to fit.

I have a box of the apples in our tree house, and also a bag of them in the refrigerator (picked in October). The ones in the tree house are a little soft on the outside but in the refrigerator they are still nice & hard. I think it gets a little too warm in the tree house to store apples well.

I checked my mason bees cocoons (also stored in the tree house) and found some mold on some of them so I gave them a 20 second bath in a mild bleach solution. I let them dry off then put them back in the insulated container. This is the first time I have tried cleaning my cocoons. Previously I just left them in the reeds but I guess that leads to a build up of parasites (I did find a few parasites during cleaning). Cleaning them is a lot of work, in the future I think I'll just make sure to replace the reeds each year. I actually use teasel stems since those work well and they grow in my yard.

Regarding the scion exchange, I guess I should make a label. Does anyone know what info is on the scion labels?


Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:28 pm
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Post Re: New Seedling Apple - Miss Jessamine
On known varieties, they just list the name.

On yours, you might make a little card that can be taped to the table, saying flavor, storage, bloom time, size, if it's triploid (you might not know), and possible parentage.
Thanks
John S
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Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:38 am
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Hey Dave M,
NIce to meet you in person. What a great apple that is! Still crisp in March,large, still with a subtle, distinctive flavor. Golden color, seemed to not have much bug/disease pressure. Thanks for bringing in the scion. I'm definitely going to try to graft it into my trees.
John S
PDX OR


Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:09 pm
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Nice meeting you too John. Thank you for the kind words. I hope your graft is successful!

At the show I had a scion grafted onto M9 stock so I can have a smaller tree, in addition to the original which is going to get quite big.

One person asked me if I had sprayed the tree, and the answer is no, other than with compost tea a couple of times.

I should have many apples to share this fall. I would love to get some into the mouths of people who can properly describe the flavor.

One of the other seedling trees from the same set of store apples back in 2002 has been really stunted -- but in the last two years it has been sending out big, disease-free branches. This winter I pruned it to one stem and staked it straight, so we'll see what happens with that one. However I know it is very unlikely that it will produce decent apples.

At the fair when I went to place the Red Delicious scions in the Red Delicious bucket, I found that there was no Red Delicious bucket. This was not too surprising since they taste so bad. To me it was sort of a poetic statement that the apple most commonly sold in stores doesn't even warrant inclusion in the biggest scion exchange on the west coast. I suspect that Red Delicious continues to exist because it ships well, not because of its taste. I heard someone remark recently that perhaps the reason many kids don't like fruits and vegetables is because most stores put storability/shipability above flavor when selecting fresh produce to sell. i.e. if as a child you were only given Red Delicious apples, would you like apples?

Dave

John S wrote:
Hey Dave M,
NIce to meet you in person. What a great apple that is! Still crisp in March,large, still with a subtle, distinctive flavor. Golden color, seemed to not have much bug/disease pressure. Thanks for bringing in the scion. I'm definitely going to try to graft it into my trees.
John S
PDX OR


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