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What would be a good polinator for my gravenstein apple tree? Or am i forced to buy another of the same veriaty? thanks.


Wed May 24, 2006 7:52 pm
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Spanky - Don't buy another one - yet! Here's a list of what not to use as a pollinizer for your Grav, and why:

"The following varieties are not reliable pollinizers: Gravenstein, Braeburn, Red McIntosh, King, and Mutsu. These varieties are called triploid plants. That means that they must have another tree to pollinize themselves, plus the pollinizer will require another tree to pollinize it." From: http://www.flowerworldusa.com/info/fruit_trees.html

Here's a pretty good looking pollination chart; note, the apple varieties are listed (upper left, top to bottom) in their order of blooming. Bloom-times are extremely important; even though pollen from one variety can "pollinate" the Grav, if that variety blooms 2 weeks later, it won't happen. So, consider only those compatible pollinators nearest the Gravenstein. --- http://www.hartmannursery.com/apple_pollination.htm

Here's what I use with my three Gravs: "Summerred," and "Yellow Transparent" ("Lodi" is basically the same thing as a "Transparent"). Now, I'm slowly begining to understand this "Triploid" thing ... I think, either one of those two trees are pollinating my Gravs, but, if I want them to form apples (fruit), as well as pollinate, I'll need that second early blooming variety... So, to get Gravs, you'll need another early blooming pollen-compatible variety; to get fruit from 'that variety' (if you've got no other compatible apple trees near by), you'll need the second one...

My solution: graft on a couple limbs of both Summerred & Transparent to my 80-something year old Gravenstein tree. Actually, I did that to all 3 Grav trees. Depending on the age of your Grav, there are several methods of grafting on a pollinator 'limb.' This may sound daunting; but it's doable. I just read up on the subject, and carefully went for it. If your tree's young, you may more easily "Bud" (graft) later this Summer with one or two compatible pollinators. If it's 8 to 80, you may more easly do a cleft graft, or any number of dormant-season grafts next Feb. or March. The Home Orchard Society gives classes on both -- search this site. I've instructed some of the "Top Working" classes given in early March ... it's "my thing."

More than you care to know? I'll check back if you've any further questions --

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Hi,
I've had similar problems and am grateful for this discussion. I have a Braeburn and a Gravenstein (no other apples), planted them about four years ago, and was wondering why I hadn't been getting any fruit! I'd read that Gravensteins were triploid but had naively hoped the Braeburn could pollinate (sp?) it. Guess I'll be grafting on some other varieties next spring.
Thanks for the info.
Ruth

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Ruth, I just researched the bloom time for Braeburns and found them to be very early ... that should be working for your Gravensteins. As I get it, the Gravenstein can't pollinate the Braeburn, but it appears the Braeburn should be a decent pollinator for the Gravenstein. But some trees take 5 or 6 years to produce fruit spurs; four years may be too early for these trees (I don't think either are 'tip bearers'). Did they have blossoms this spring?

At the following site I found some interesting information about Crab Apple trees as pollinators for commercial orchards. Apparently, bees prefer, or stay with certain colored blossoms. The "Manchurian Crab" is given as a good pollinator for Braeburn. With it's early bloom time, and large white flowers; that's the same as a Gravenstein. It may be a good variety to graft on to either tree?

This was a very interesting site; note the opposite side of the planet bloom times (early Sept.), and, the Gravenstein wasn't mentioned, cause it's not considered a 'commercial variety' down there I suspect... But food for thought!

"Manchurian: Fairly large white flowers with pale pink buds. Prolific flowering on one-year wood. Upright tree habit. Suitable for Braeburn, Granny Smith, king flowers of Delicious as well as many others, but it may be too early for Fuji and Gala."

From: http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/pome ... nators.htm

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Early apple pollinators
Over time I have made a list of apple bloom times, divided into A, B, C, and D.
Tripoild apples, i.e. 'Gravenstein' and others produce STERILE pollen. These plants have three chromosome pairs instrad of the normal two pair. Nature cannot divide three into a whole number, hence sterile.
If yu have one tripoid tree you should have at least two other trees that bloom in the same or next bloom period. Since 'Gavenstein' blooms in A period you should have two more in the a period (not tripoids). The A bloomin list that follows will give you more than you wnated to know.

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(A) Early flowering
(AT) Early flowering triploid (sterile)
(ATetr) Early flowering tetraploid (fertile)

'A. D. W. Atkins' (A)
‘Acey Mac’ (A)
†'Akerö' (A)
‘Alexis’ (A)
†'Alkmene' (A)
'All-Red Gravenstein' (AT)
'Ambro' (A)
'American Summer Pearmain' (A)
'Ames' (A)
'Anna' (A)
'Aromatic Russet' (A-B)
‘Astrachan, Large Fruited' (A)
†'Astrachan, Red' (A)
'Astrachan, White' (A)

'Bakers Delicious' (A)
†'Bancroft’ (A)
'Batul-Alma' (A)
'Bébé Rose' (A)
'Beeley Pippin' (A)
'Belfleur Krasnyi' (A)
'Belle Fille de la Manche' (A) (Cider)
'Ben's Red' (A)
'Bessemyanka Michurina' (A)
‘Bietigheimer’ (A)
'Black McIntosh' (A)
'Black Mickey' (A)
'Blackmack' (A)
'Blutroten' (A)
'Bolero' (A)
'Bonza' (A-B)
†'Bottle Greening' (A)
'Bountiful' (A-B)
*†'Braeburn '(C - in Western Oregon and Washington; A - elsewhere)
†'Braeburn; Hilwell Strain' (A)
'Braddick's Nonpareil' (A)
'Breakey' (A)
'Breakwell's Seedling' (A-B-C) (Cider)
‘Breedon Pippin’ (A)
‘Brimley Bittersweet’ (A) (Cider)
'Broxwood Foxwhelp' (A) (Cider)
'Bulmer's Norman’ (AT) (Cider)
'Buzával Erö Alma' (A)

'Caravel' (A)
'Cardinal' (A)
‘Carlisle Codlin’ (A)
'Carlton' (A)
'Caroline Hopkins' (A) some (C)
'Carter's Blue' (A)
'Ceeval' (A)
†'Chehalis' (A)
‘Chestnut’ (A) (Crab)
‘Chick-A-Dee McIntosh’ (A)
‘Chilo’ (A) (Crab)
‘Cidor’ (A) (Cider)
'Christmas Pearmain' (A)
'Cidor' (A) (Cider)
'Cleeve' (A)
'Clivia' (A)
'Close' (AT)
'Clydesdale' (A)
‘Cooper’s Seedling’ (A)
'Coul Blush' (A)
'Court Royal' (AT) (Cider)
‘Cowichan’ (A) (Crab)
'Cräciunesti' (A)
'Crimson Gravenstein' (AT)

'Dalili' (A)
‘Dandee Red’™ (A)
'Dark Red Gravenstein' (AT)
‘Daru Sövári (A)
†'Davey' (A)
'Dearborn's Unknown' (A)
'Delgollune' (A)
'Delnimb' (A)
'Delprim' (A)
'Delvale' (A)
‘Dermen McIntosh’ (A Tert)
'Devon Crimson Queen' (A)
†Devonshire Quarrenden' (A)
'Directeur Lesage' (A)
†'Discovery' (A)
†'Dolgo Crab' (A)
'Domnesc' (A)
'Dorsett Golden' (A)
'Double Red McIntosh' (A)
†'Duchess of Oldenburg' (A)
†'Duchess of Oldenburg, Red' (A) 'Duchess, Red' (A)
‘Dudley’ (Dudley Winter’) (A)
‘Duégne’ (A)
'Dunkelroter Gravensteiner’ (AT)
'Dunn's Seedling' (A)
'Dymock Red' (A) (Cider)

‘Earl Cowper’ (A)
†'Earligold' (A)
†'Early Red Bird' (A)
‘Eastbourne Pippin’ (A)
†'Egremont Russet' (A)
'Elektra' (A)
'Elton Beauty' (A)
'Emerald Spire' (A)
*†'Empire' (A)
'Ernst Bosch' (A)
*†'Erwin Baur' (A)
'Essching' (A)
'Etlins Reinette' (A)
'Eustis' (A)

†'Fall Russet' (A)
‘Fameuse’ (A)
'Fameuse, Red' (A)
'Fantazja' (A)
'Fiessers Erstling' (A) some (C)
'Foulkes Foremost '(A)
‘Foxwhelp’ (A) (Cider)
'Frau Margarete Von Stosch' (A)

'Geheimrat Doktor Oldenburg' (A)
'Genet Moyle' (AT)
'George Neal' (A)
‘Gibbs Golden Gage’ (A) (Crab) ‘Glogerovka’ (A)
'Glory of England' (A)
'Gold Medal' (A)
'Gold Reinette' (A)
'Golden Royal' (A)
'Golden Russet' (A)
'Golden Spire' (A) (Cider)
'Grand' Mêre' (A)
*†'Gravenstein' (All) (AT)
'Gravenstein, All-Red' (AT)
'Gravenstein, Dark Red' (AT)
†'Gravenstein, Rosebrook '(AT)
'Gravenstein, Scarlet' (AT)
'Gravenstein, Washington Red' (AT)
'Gravensteiner, Dunkelroter' (AT)
†'Greensleeves' (A-B-C)
'Grenadier' (A-B-C)
*†'Grimes Golden' (A-B-C)
'Guldborg' (A)
‘Gyllenkroks Astrakan’ (A)
'Gyogyi Piros' (A

'Hector Macdonald' (A)
†'Henry Clay' (A)
'Hewe's Virginia Crab' (A)
'Heyer 20' (A)
‘Hibernal’ (A)
'Hog's Snout' (A)
'Hollandbury' (A)
‘Hopa’ (A) (Crab)
'Hume' (A)
'Hunts Duke of Gloucester' (A)
'Hunts Early' (A)

*†'Idared (A)
'Improved Redstreak' (A) (Cider)
‘Irish Peach’ (A)
‘Isle of Wright Pippin’ (A)
‘Izletes Zöld’ (A)

‘Jadwiga’ (A) (Crab)
'Jansen Von Welten' (A)
'Jászvadoka' (A)
'Johnson McIntosh' (ATetr)
†'Jonagrimes' (A)
†'Jonamac' (A)
'Josephine Kreuter' (A)
†'Joyce' (A)
'Judaine' (A)
'Judeline' (A)
'Juliet' (A)
‘Jurella’ (A)

‘Keed’s Cottage’ (A)
†'Kendall' (A)
'Kéresi Muskotály' (A)
†'Kerry Pippin' (A)
'Kerry Irish Pippin' (A)
'Keswick Codlin' (A)
'Kimball McIntosh' (ATetr)
‘Kingsmere’ (A) (Crab)
†'Knobbed (Knobby) Russet' (A)
'Krasava' (A)
'Kronprinz Rudolf'' (A)
'Kuldzhinka Krupnoplod Aya' (A)

‘Lady Hollendale’ (A)
‘Lady Hollendale’ (A)
†'Lady Williams' (A)
'Lamb Abby Pearmain' (A)
‘Lappio’ (A)
‘Laxton’s Leader’ (A)
'Leeder's Perfection' (A)
*†'Liberty' (A)
'Liddel's Seedling' (A)
'Linda' (A)
‘LindaMac’ (A)
'Liveland Raspberry' (A)
'Lodi' (A)
'Lord Lennox' (A)
'Lord Peckover' (A)
‘Lord Suffield’ (A)
'Lowland Raspberry' (A)
'Luzhanka' (A)

'Macross' (A)
‘Macspur McIntosh’ (A)
'Macwood' (A)
'Maglemer' (A)
'Maidstone Favourite' (A)
‘Makamik’ (A)
‘Maldon Wonder’ (A)
‘Maltster’ (A)
Malus floribunda (A-B-C) Ornamental Crab, excellent pollinator
Malus floribunda “Rosa” (A-B-C) Pink flowered ornamental Crab, excellent pollinator
'Manchurian Crab' (A-B)
'Manks Codlin' (A)
'Mantet' (A)
'Mariborka' (A)
‘Márosszéki Piros Paris’ (A)
‘Marshall McIntosh’ (A)
‘Maruba’ (A) (Crab)
'Máte Dénes Dr' (A)
‘McIntosh’ (A)
'McIntosh, Black' (A)
'McIntosh, Compact' (A)
†'McIntosh, Double Red' (A)
'McIntosh, Johnson '(ATetr)
'McIntosh, Kimball' (ATetr)
†'McIntosh, Macspur' (A)
†'McIntosh, Marshall' (A)
†'McIntosh, Mor-Spur' (A)
†'McIntosh, Redmax' (A)
†'McIntosh, Rogers' (A)
†'McIntosh, Starkspur' (A)
†'McIntosh, Summer Mac' (A)
†'McIntosh, Summerland' (A)
†'McIntosh, Wijcik' (A)
'Mela Carla' (A)
'Melba' (A)
'Meran' (A)
'Merton Charm' (A)
'Mettais' (A) (Cider)
†'Milton' (A)
'Miskolci Kormos' (A)
'Mobb's Royal' (A)
'Monkland Pippin' (A)
'Morden 363' (A)
'Morkrod' (AT)
'Morspur McIntosh' (A)
'Moss Orchard' (A)
‘Mother’ (Taylor) (A)
'Murray' (A)
'Muscadet de Dieppe' (A) (Cider)
'Muster' (A)

'Nanny' (A)
‘Nehou’ (A) (Cider)
'New Gold' (A)
'Newport Cross' (A)
†'Niagara' (A)
'Nico' (A)
'Nigde' (A)
'Nobil de Geoagiu' (A)
'Noris' (A)
'Norland' (A)
'Northpole' (A) (Columnar)
‘NY75414-1’ (A)

'Ohio Nonpareil' (A)
'Olm Paul' (A)
'Old English Pippin' (A)
'Omont' (A) (Cider)
‘Orange Goff’ (A)
'Oratia Pippin ' (AT)
'Orbai Alma' (A)
†'Orin' (A-C)
‘Osennee Desertone’ (A)
'Osennee Polosatoe' (A)
'Oslin' (A) Other (C)
'Oxford Sunrise' (A)

'P. J. Bergius' (A)
'Parkland' (A)
'Patricia'' (A)
'Pearmain, Christmas' (A)
'Pearmain, American Summer' (A)
'Pearmain, Winter' (A)
'Pépin Shafrannyi' (A)
'Perrine Yellow Transparent' (ATetr)
'Peter Lock' (A)
'Pfirsichroter Sommerapfel' (A)
'Pierre' (A)
'Piltsamasskoe Zimnee' (A)
†'Pink Lady™' (A-B-C)
‘Pink Pearl’ (A)
'Pioneer' (A)
‘Pioneer Mac’ (A)
'Pirja' (A)
'Piros' (A)
'Plymouth Cross' (A)
'Polka' (A)
'Pomme Noire' (A) others (C)
'Port Allen Russet' (A)
'Present Van Holland' (A)
†'Primate' (A)
'Prince Charles' (A)
'Prinses Irene' (A)

†'Quinte' (A)

'Ranger' (A)
'Red Astrachan' (A)
'Red Devil' (A)
'Red Duchess of Oldenburg' (A)
'Red Fameuse' (A)
'Red Foxwhelp' (A) (Cider)
‘Red Sentinel’ (A) (Crab)
'Red Transparent' (A)
'Redmax McIntosh' (A)
†'Redsleeves' (A-B-C)
'Reine des Pommes' (A) (Cider)
'Reinette Coulon' (A)
'Reinette de Metz' (A)
'Reinette Grise de Portugal' (A)
'Reverend W. Wilks' (A)
'Rivers' Early Peach' (A)
'Roba' (A)
'Rode Wagenaar' (A)
'Rogers McIntosh' (A)
'Rokewood' (A)
'Rosa del Caldaro' (A)
'Rosebrook Gravenstein' (AT)
‘Rosioare Caligaresti’ (A)
'Royal George' (A)
‘Royal Empire’™ (A)
'Rozovoe Iz Tartu' (A)

'Saint Cecilia' (A)
†'Salome' (A)
'Sávstaholm' (A)
'Scarlet Gravenstein' (AT)
'Scarlet Pimpernel' (A)
‘Scarlet Sentinel’ (A) (Columnar)
'Schöner Aus Herrnhut' (A)
'Scotch Dumpling' (A)
‘Scotian Spur Mac’ (A)
'Sharleston Pippin' (A) Some (C)
‘Sharon’ (A)
'Shortymac' (A)
'Skovfoged' (A)
'Silken' (A)
'Slack Ma Girdle' (A)
‘Smokehouse’ (A)
'Snövit' (A)
‘Sovari Comun’ (A)
‘Stanway Seedling’ (A)
†'Starks Earliest' (A)
'Starkspur McIntosh' (A)
'State Fair' (A)
'Stonehenge' (A)
'Summer Golden Pippin (A)
'Summer Mac' (A)
‘Summerland Crab #2’ (A)
‘Summerland Crab #3’ (A)
'Summerland McIntosh' (A)
'Summerred' (A)
'Sundance' (A-B)
'Sunrise' (A)
'Sure Crop' (A)
'Sweet Lading' (A)
†'Sweet Lonnie' (A)
'Szabadkai Szercsika' (A)
‘Széchenyirenet’ (A)

'Tailmann' (A)
'Tardive Forestiére' (A) (Cider)
'Taylor's (A) (Cider)
'Tewkesbury Baron' (A)
‘Thomas Jeffery' (A)
'Thorle Pippin' (A)
‘Tordai Alma’ (A)
‘Tordai Pros Kálvi’ (A)
‘Tower of Glamis' (A)
‘Transparente de Croncels’ (A)
‘Transcendent Crab' (A)
‘Tremlett's Bitter' (A) (Cider)

'Uland' (A)

'Vanda' (A)
'Vanderhoek' (A)
†'Violette' ('Calville Rouge dAutomne') (A)
‘Virginia Gold’ (A)
†'Vista Bella '(A)

'Wabiskaw' (A)
'Warner's King' (A)
'Washington Strawberry' (A)
'Webster' (AT)
'Welcome' (A)
†'Wellington' (USA) (A)
'Welschisner' (A)
'Westland' (A)
*†'Wickson Crab' (A-B)
†'William's Pride' (A-B-C)
‘White Astrachan’ (A)
'White Joaneting' (A)
†'White Transparent' (A)
'Wijcik McIntosh' (A)
‘Wilkenburger Herbstreinette’ (A)
†'Williams Pride' (A-B-C)
'Winter Pearmain' (A)
'WSU AxPâ„¢' (A) (Edible crab)

'Yellow Transparent' (A)
'Yellow Transparent, Perrine' (AT)

'Zestar!â„¢' (A)
'Zhigulevskoe' (A)
'Zigeunerin' (A)
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The 'Gravenstien,' 'Braeburn' combination. According to Warren Manhart, Apples for the 21st Centrury, 'Braeburn' blooms in C period in Western Oregon and Washington and A period elswhere. Soooo, you may want to add a tree in the B bloom period. This should overlap both A and C bloom periods.

Snd me an email for some B bloom period suggestions.
tlswensen@earthlink.net

Ted


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